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Grateful Dead Live at Winterland Arena on 1974-10-17

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Grateful Dead Live at Winterland Arena on 1974-10-17


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This show has been commercially released as "Grateful Dead Movie Soundtrack"

Promised Land, Mississippi Half Step, Black Throated Wind, Friend Of The Devil, Jack Straw, Loser, El Paso, China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider, Me & My Uncle, It Must Have Been The Roses, Weather Report Suite Prelude-> Weather Report Suite Part 1-> Let It Grow Scarlet Begonias, Big River, Ramble On Rose, Mexicali Blues, He's Gone-> The Other One-> Spanish Jam-> Heaven Help The Fool Jam-> The Other One-> Stella Blue, Sugar Magnolia, E: Casey Jones, E: U.S. Blues


Collection GratefulDead
Band/Artist Grateful Dead
Venue Winterland Arena
Location San Francisco, CA

Source Soundboard
Lineage MultiTrack Master Reel > DAT > Sonic Solutions > CD

Notes

MultiTrack Master Reel > DAT > Sonic Solutions > CD; see info file for notes; via Steve Barbella, Rich Danyko, Matt Vernon

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Reviewer: Mind Wondrin - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 11, 2015
Subject: Best show of the run

This was, overall, the best show of the band's original "Fare Thee Well" run at Winterland. It also has the single best set. The show's kind of weird, mixing the best of the run with some of the worst (albeit in the typical Dead fashion we love). The Movie Soundtrack, as with the rest of the run, misses half of the best material. The 1st set is mostly a wash but the third set (the second Dead set, as the Seastones project was in the middle) is insanity.

First Set. Average to below average for '74 (apparently the piano lid slammed down during the opener) until the great China Cat>Rider. The Let it Grow is better than the one chosen for the movie, from the following night. The Half-step Mississippi and Must Have Been the Roses were used for Steal Your Face but the good ones were on the 20th.

Third Set. Starts with a crummy Scarlet (crazy Donna wail, all-but-trainwrecked, but the jam is better) and then blows wide into technicolor. Both guitar solos are brilliant (the 1st one brilliantly underplayed) for Big River and the piano solo is beautifully rendered. It's an angular solo for Ramble on Rose. By Mexicali they're on fire. He's Gone has incredible playing and tone from a song that can be such a trudge sometimes. It turns into a very bluesy jam, Phil launches The Other One and it's instantly tugged into a mongrel creature taking over 15 minutes to resolve into a true TOO. The official release calls this He's Gone>Jam>Weirdness>The Other One>Spanish Jam>Mind Left Body Jam>The Other One. It grokes from Rock to Blues to Jazz, to acid jam. Ladies and Gentlemen please join us for a complete tour of the universe right inside your skull. There's a great Sugar Magnolia, though the ending is cut from the official release, so you'll need the board. Though the Casey Jones isn't one of the year's notable ones, it was used for Steal Your Face and the Movie Soundtrack. However, on the latter, the 2nd verse is cut (from 1:20 to 2:05 on SYF). A 2nd edit is jarring: right as the solo starts it jumps to "trouble with you is..." (@ 1:40 on Movie Sdtrk). Then there's a 3rd edit @2:00 where one chorus iteration is removed!

1st Set:  C
3rd Set: A
Overall = 4 Stars

Highlights:
China Cat>Know You Rider - adventurous
Let it Grow - best of run
Big River - nailed
Ramble On Rose - angular solo FTW!
Mexicali Blues - prime example
He's Gone>Long Jam Out>Other One>Stella Blue - a mother jam into a classic Stella
Sugar Magnolia - total vibe

SOURCES: Parts are on the Movie Soundtrack but for complete versions and for the rest, I liked the Barbella source best (due to the clarity).
Reviewer: sheikyerbouti - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - December 6, 2004
Subject: china>rider
There are some great parts to this and overall the show is pretty solid however, I do think there are better shows earlier in the year. Very nice to listen to and a keeper.
Reviewer: 12 Joshua - favoritefavoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - November 26, 2004
Subject: Other One
To visualize and hear spectacular sound on this Other One>Spanish Jam>HHTF Jam>Other One, Rent or buy the new DVD of The Grateful Dead movie and play the bonus songs on DVD #2 (this one listed simply as The Other One). Phenomenal sound quality here on all these bonus tracks. If you watched DVD #1 and noticed the substantial sound quality difference between the movie and the bonus footage on #2. Watch the documentary on DVD #2 "the making of the movie" interesting sound restoring/mixing techniques revealed while recovering these gems from the vault. Given the amount of work they put into restoring these bonus tracks this will be by far the best recordings you will hear of these select performances from this run. They mention another possible bonus DVD to this run/movie because they found so many fine performances of other individual tunes. Hell, in that case, choose one of the shows, remaster/mix and release one of the full shows on CD. My rating pertains to the incredible recording work and performances on The Dead Movie Disc #2.
Reviewer: J. Jonah Jameson - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - May 3, 2004
Subject: The sleeper of the run?
This show could be the sleeper of the "farewell" run at Winterland. And, if you leave out Phil & Ned, and use some creative fading, the whole thing will just about fit onto 2 80-minute discs. 1st set is solid, nice to hear F.O.T.D. and I like the direction they were going with Jack Straw in the period. Excellent WRS, as well. Interesting stuff in the 2nd set, and I'd wager the Casey Jones sounds better here than it did on Steal Your Face. I think this show stacks up against some of the better shows from earlier in the year but may not get as much attention because it was part of this run.
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